Elections américaines
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par Moundir33 » 05 Nov 2004, 00:02
Parlement et commission? nan,le parlement a juste un role de conseil et aucun pouvoir législatif,du moins jusqu'à la constution qui changera la donne de ce coté si elle est voté bien sur. La commission a un pouvoir de reglements qui ont valeurs de loi dans les pays de la communauté.
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par Peli » 05 Nov 2004, 00:15
Soit, mais le point important est le désinteret des francais face à la construction européenne par rapport à ce qui se passe outre atlantique ce qui est quand meme paradoxal pour un pays ou la majorité se disent plus ou moins anti américains
On est conscient de nos échecs scolaires mais tout serait différent si la Sorbonne était à Auber @ Tandem
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par Moundir33 » 05 Nov 2004, 00:23
Pour l'instant la démocratie européenne n'existe pas et les votes n'ont donc aucun intéret,alors que l'election US détermine conséqueses autrement plus importante, comme le nom du prochain pays à morfler..
And the winner is.....Iran!!
And the winner is.....Iran!!
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par Peli » 05 Nov 2004, 00:45
On a absolument pas d impact sur les éléctions américaines on en est seulement en tant que spectateur, contrairement a notre seul pouvoir européen qui est faible, je te l accorde, mais qui est pour l instant la deuxieme voix mondiale depuis la "disparition" de l'ONU
On est conscient de nos échecs scolaires mais tout serait différent si la Sorbonne était à Auber @ Tandem
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par superolive » 05 Nov 2004, 09:35
LeRat-Luciano a écrit:J'espere que les Americains sont préparés pour "accueillir" un deuxieme attentat dans leur pays...
Et surtout qui viennent pas pleuré sur leur sort aprés ...
tu ne vaut pas mieux que ceux que tu défends.
La perspective de tuer des innocents te choque lorsque il s'agit de tes frères musulmans, mais pour les autres tu t'en branle. triste constat.
Moi je suis peut être un mécréant mais pour moi un homme c'est un homme, quel que soit son origine ou sa religion.
Sur ce fin de la discussion , le trip de parler à des quasi fanatiques ne m'emballe pas
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par superolive » 05 Nov 2004, 09:42
gigi a écrit:les USA cherchaient à maintenir une puissance mondiale perdue ( de tous les points de vue ) en faisant la guerre à des nations beaucoup plus faibles qu'elle ( Irak, Soudan etc etc ) sans jamais s'attaquer frontalement ( diplomatiquement ou militairement ) à des Nations plus importantes ou + dangereuses ( Chine, Corée, Iran, Pakistan
c'est quoi ces cette these de merde?(style avec l'Europe)
merci gigi. La tienne ne vaut pas beaucoup mieux
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par Neb » 05 Nov 2004, 16:39
11/5/04
Dear Friends,
Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
IS some good news from Tuesday's election.
Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:
1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.
2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
(Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
wrong and you should never listen to them.
4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)
5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.
6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
lava. And no more show tunes!
7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.
8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If
you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.
9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.
10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to
have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates
can't.
11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!
12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.
13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
(Montana House) is still undecided.
14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out --
and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work
that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th
grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his
point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.
15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the
Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such
major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from
office.
16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting
age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it
means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are
coming!!!
17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time
since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is
that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of
surprise in 2008.
Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My
Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a
wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"
But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
http://www.michaelmoore.com
Dear Friends,
Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
IS some good news from Tuesday's election.
Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:
1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.
2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
(Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
wrong and you should never listen to them.
4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)
5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.
6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
lava. And no more show tunes!
7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.
8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If
you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.
9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.
10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to
have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates
can't.
11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!
12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.
13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
(Montana House) is still undecided.
14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out --
and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work
that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th
grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his
point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.
15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the
Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such
major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from
office.
16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting
age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it
means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are
coming!!!
17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time
since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is
that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of
surprise in 2008.
Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My
Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a
wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"
But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
http://www.michaelmoore.com
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par gigi » 05 Nov 2004, 17:11
superolive a écrit:gigi a écrit:les USA cherchaient à maintenir une puissance mondiale perdue ( de tous les points de vue ) en faisant la guerre à des nations beaucoup plus faibles qu'elle ( Irak, Soudan etc etc ) sans jamais s'attaquer frontalement ( diplomatiquement ou militairement ) à des Nations plus importantes ou + dangereuses ( Chine, Corée, Iran, Pakistan
c'est quoi ces cette these de merde?(style avec l'Europe)
merci gigi. La tienne ne vaut pas beaucoup mieux
tu m'excuses mais quelle these j'ai?
tu sors le truc d'un gars qui raconte que les USA s'attaquent qu'au pays faibles pour montrer qu'ils sont forts, ce qui montre qu'ils ont perdu leur puissance mondiale
ds ce cas s'ils font la guerre rien que pour prouver qu'ils sont tjs forts, pk ils vont pas attaquer les pays pauvres d'amerique latine ou d'Asie?
pour rappel, les USA sont la 1ere puissance du monde depuis meme pas 1 siecle
et au cours de cette periode, tu px me citer (du temps de leur "grandeur" soit disant perdue
) une attaque unilatérale des USA contre un pays fort?(les 2 guerres mondiales ne sont pas venue d'eux, bien au contraire ils ont contribuer a faire gagner les pays agressés et se sont défendu contre le Japon)
donc je t'ai pas balancé une these a moi mais des faits: les USA partent en guerre pour défendre leurs interets eco voire strategique, soit pour les augmenter (politique actuelle avec l'enjeu du petrole en Irak et de leur protection contre le terrorisme) et certainement pour prouver qu'ils maitrisent encore le monde en s'attaquant a ceux qu'ils peuvent battre
qd ton gars raconte que les USA n'ont pas les couilles d'aller attaquer la Chine, c'est limite a se casser 3 cotes en se marrant
quel serait leur interet de faire ca? mettre les chinois en esclavage?
donc je te re quote les faits que j'ai sorti pour casser la these vraiment chelou de ton auteur
la Chine permet aux USA d'avoir un deficit de fou et de dynamiser l'eco mondiale(comme le Japon le faisait avant)
ce pays est donc loin d'etre un ennemis des USA a ts les points de vue
Le Pakistan est un allié ds une region chaude et aussi au niveau eco sur la route des pipelines
ils sont a la botte des US, a tel point que son president manque ts les jours de se faire fumer par les islamistes du coin
si la Corée du Nord menacait les interets US ou avait un interet eco, tu px etre certains qu'ils iraient leur apporter la democratie de facon musclée
pour l'Iran c'est different
ce pays malgré des declarations chaudes de religieux, reste plutot tranquille grace a Khatami et des dirigeants qui foutent pas le bordel facon Saddam
les USA sont aussi un peu hesitant a cause de leur passé avec eux (ils ont été chassé du pays ya 25 ans) et n'ont pas envie de raviver ca sans bonnes raisons eco ou strategique
et je rajoute que les USA sont pas tendre niveau eco avec les pays riches (style avec l'Europe)
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