Re: Actu France et Monde
22 Avr 2013, 02:12
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22214511
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Boston bombing: How internet detectives got it very wrong
By Dave Lee, Technology reporter, BBC News
Internet users tried for days to piece together clues about the culprits of the Boston bombings. The result? They got it wrong - and left innocent people fearing for their safety. Many are now asking: should "crowd-sourced investigations" be stopped?
Thousands have been tirelessly picking through the evidence - every piece of video footage, every photo, every eyewitness account they can get their hands on.
But this investigation wasn't within the confidential confines of the FBI or local police.
No, these sleuths were working in public - discussing their theories and "leads" within massive communities such as Reddit, 4Chan, Facebook and Twitter.
On Friday, those efforts ended with an apology. After hours of chatter and speculation, the standout suspect identified - and named - was the wrong man.
"I'd like to extend the deepest apologies to the family of Sunil Tripathi for any part we may have had in relaying what has turned out to be faulty information," wrote Reddit user Rather_Confused.
"We cannot begin to know what you're going through and for that we are truly sorry.
"Several users, Twitter users, and other sources had heard him identified as the suspect and believed it to be confirmed.
"We were mistaken."
'Racist Where's Wally'
In the preceeding hours, Mr Tripathi, who has been missing since mid-March, became a trending topic on Twitter as his name and picture were shared far and wide.
Information had been gathered on a specially created section on Reddit - known as a subreddit - entitled Find Boston Bombers.
Members had been posting their ideas and footage, offering suggestions over what they saw as crucial clues in what has been described as a crowd-sourced criminal investigation.
While undoubtedly set up with noble intentions, innocent people were routinely singled out in pictures captioned with such apparent evidence as "not looking at the race", or because of sketchy similarities between the rucksacks being worn by onlookers and the bag that contained the bomb.
The New Statesman went as far as to call it a "racist Where's Wally", with the suggestion that there was emphasis on pointing out non-whites among the crowds.
One "suspect" was 17-year-old Salah Barhoun, described on Reddit simply as Blue Robe Man thanks to the tracksuit top he had worn.
Users posted information relating to his whereabouts, and pointing out the "sagging" in a shoulder bag he was holding - a sign, some thought, that he was carrying something heavy.
Hours later, the same pictures that had circulated on Reddit and 4Chan found their way to the front page of the New York Post.
Under the headline "bag men", Mr Barhoun and a friend were said to be wanted for questioning - but the tabloid added: "There is no direct evidence linking them to the crime."
The pair were not involved in the bombing - and Mr Barhoun told ABC News he now fears for his life.
There were more: White Hat Black Jacket Guy, Blue Duffel Bag Guy and Green Hat Guy, to share a few.
With each suspect, a rush to find their real identities - and in some cases, social media profiles and groups were peppered with threatening messages.
'Disgusting'
When the real suspects - as confirmed by the FBI - were identified, the moderators of the Find Boston Bombers group told members that any posts about other people would be deleted immediately.
It meant much of the focus in the subreddit had shifted to the morality of what had occurred.
"This subreddit has been a disaster that has done more harm than good," wrote Reddit user DarrenGrey.
"It ended up an epicentre of unstoppable finger-pointing and wild conjecture.
"And worst of all the mainstream media leapt on the information here like hungry hyenas.
A dedicated section on Reddit was launched to discuss theories
"Unreliable crowd-sourced material plus the media's ravenous desire for fresh information has proved a disgusting mix. Let's never ever do this again."
But Charlie Beckett, director of the journalism and society think tank POLIS, told the BBC these highly public investigations are unstoppable.
"There's nothing you can do about it," he said.
"You can't lock down the internet like you can lock down part of Boston. You have to live with that."
The only hope, he said, was that this very public and damaging mis-identification serves as a lesson to those eager to be "first" with new information online.
"It's been a kind of a media literacy seminar - people are learning to be less stupid. You don't want to be the person who names a suspect who turns out not to be right."
He added: "I doubt that when we write the history of this event that the intelligence services will be thanking social media over this."
Police scanners
But one Reddit user, who has spent the past two days posting minute-by-minute updates on the police investigation, defended the actions of those on the site.
"Innocent people will always be singled out," said Joseph Stuhr in an email to the BBC.
"That's why we have police. We can give them leads and they will figure everything out using facts and clues."
At his desk in Virginia, 22-year-old Mr Stuhr has been using a combination of television feeds, local radio and police scanners to report updates. He has been praised by Reddit users for being quicker than mainstream outlets to share information.
In doing so, he said he believed mainstream media could learn a lot about reporting honestly in breaking news situations.
"When I make a mistake I can fix it quickly and many users point it out. I feel it lets the readers get involved, and its better to be honest and say 'yeah, I messed up. I was wrong. But I fixed it!'."
Yet perhaps the most poignant conclusion of the whole affair came from the family of Sunil Tripathi themselves.
"A tremendous and painful amount of attention has been cast on our beloved Sunil Tripathi in the past twelve hours," read a message posted to a Facebook group.
"Now more than ever our greatest strength comes from your enduring support.
"We thank all of you who have reached out to our family and ask that you continue to raise awareness and to help us find our gentle, loving, and thoughtful Sunil."
By Dave Lee, Technology reporter, BBC News
Internet users tried for days to piece together clues about the culprits of the Boston bombings. The result? They got it wrong - and left innocent people fearing for their safety. Many are now asking: should "crowd-sourced investigations" be stopped?
Thousands have been tirelessly picking through the evidence - every piece of video footage, every photo, every eyewitness account they can get their hands on.
But this investigation wasn't within the confidential confines of the FBI or local police.
No, these sleuths were working in public - discussing their theories and "leads" within massive communities such as Reddit, 4Chan, Facebook and Twitter.
On Friday, those efforts ended with an apology. After hours of chatter and speculation, the standout suspect identified - and named - was the wrong man.
"I'd like to extend the deepest apologies to the family of Sunil Tripathi for any part we may have had in relaying what has turned out to be faulty information," wrote Reddit user Rather_Confused.
"We cannot begin to know what you're going through and for that we are truly sorry.
"Several users, Twitter users, and other sources had heard him identified as the suspect and believed it to be confirmed.
"We were mistaken."
'Racist Where's Wally'
In the preceeding hours, Mr Tripathi, who has been missing since mid-March, became a trending topic on Twitter as his name and picture were shared far and wide.
Information had been gathered on a specially created section on Reddit - known as a subreddit - entitled Find Boston Bombers.
Members had been posting their ideas and footage, offering suggestions over what they saw as crucial clues in what has been described as a crowd-sourced criminal investigation.
While undoubtedly set up with noble intentions, innocent people were routinely singled out in pictures captioned with such apparent evidence as "not looking at the race", or because of sketchy similarities between the rucksacks being worn by onlookers and the bag that contained the bomb.
The New Statesman went as far as to call it a "racist Where's Wally", with the suggestion that there was emphasis on pointing out non-whites among the crowds.
One "suspect" was 17-year-old Salah Barhoun, described on Reddit simply as Blue Robe Man thanks to the tracksuit top he had worn.
Users posted information relating to his whereabouts, and pointing out the "sagging" in a shoulder bag he was holding - a sign, some thought, that he was carrying something heavy.
Hours later, the same pictures that had circulated on Reddit and 4Chan found their way to the front page of the New York Post.
Under the headline "bag men", Mr Barhoun and a friend were said to be wanted for questioning - but the tabloid added: "There is no direct evidence linking them to the crime."
The pair were not involved in the bombing - and Mr Barhoun told ABC News he now fears for his life.
There were more: White Hat Black Jacket Guy, Blue Duffel Bag Guy and Green Hat Guy, to share a few.
With each suspect, a rush to find their real identities - and in some cases, social media profiles and groups were peppered with threatening messages.
'Disgusting'
When the real suspects - as confirmed by the FBI - were identified, the moderators of the Find Boston Bombers group told members that any posts about other people would be deleted immediately.
It meant much of the focus in the subreddit had shifted to the morality of what had occurred.
"This subreddit has been a disaster that has done more harm than good," wrote Reddit user DarrenGrey.
"It ended up an epicentre of unstoppable finger-pointing and wild conjecture.
"And worst of all the mainstream media leapt on the information here like hungry hyenas.
A dedicated section on Reddit was launched to discuss theories
"Unreliable crowd-sourced material plus the media's ravenous desire for fresh information has proved a disgusting mix. Let's never ever do this again."
But Charlie Beckett, director of the journalism and society think tank POLIS, told the BBC these highly public investigations are unstoppable.
"There's nothing you can do about it," he said.
"You can't lock down the internet like you can lock down part of Boston. You have to live with that."
The only hope, he said, was that this very public and damaging mis-identification serves as a lesson to those eager to be "first" with new information online.
"It's been a kind of a media literacy seminar - people are learning to be less stupid. You don't want to be the person who names a suspect who turns out not to be right."
He added: "I doubt that when we write the history of this event that the intelligence services will be thanking social media over this."
Police scanners
But one Reddit user, who has spent the past two days posting minute-by-minute updates on the police investigation, defended the actions of those on the site.
"Innocent people will always be singled out," said Joseph Stuhr in an email to the BBC.
"That's why we have police. We can give them leads and they will figure everything out using facts and clues."
At his desk in Virginia, 22-year-old Mr Stuhr has been using a combination of television feeds, local radio and police scanners to report updates. He has been praised by Reddit users for being quicker than mainstream outlets to share information.
In doing so, he said he believed mainstream media could learn a lot about reporting honestly in breaking news situations.
"When I make a mistake I can fix it quickly and many users point it out. I feel it lets the readers get involved, and its better to be honest and say 'yeah, I messed up. I was wrong. But I fixed it!'."
Yet perhaps the most poignant conclusion of the whole affair came from the family of Sunil Tripathi themselves.
"A tremendous and painful amount of attention has been cast on our beloved Sunil Tripathi in the past twelve hours," read a message posted to a Facebook group.
"Now more than ever our greatest strength comes from your enduring support.
"We thank all of you who have reached out to our family and ask that you continue to raise awareness and to help us find our gentle, loving, and thoughtful Sunil."
Re: Actu France et Monde
22 Avr 2013, 09:19
Et ça continue
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Deux jeunes homosexuels ont déposé plainte à Nice, dimanche en fin d'après-midi, pour dénoncer une agression dont ils disent avoir été victimes la nuit précédente, à la sortie d'une boîte de nuit gay.
L'un des jeunes gens a publié une photo de lui sur son profil Facebook, où il apparaît le visage tuméfié, avec un message où il raconte les circonstances de l'agression. "2 minutes seulement après être sortis, 3 mecs nous appellent "Hé les gays!" dont un qui nous court après et se met devant nous pour nous stopper."
A la suite d'un refus de cigarette, l'un des individus aurait pratiqué un étranglement sur son ami. Lui-même affirme avoir été frappé à la tête en intervenant, et avoir "perdu connaissance pendant 20/30 longues secondes".
Selon lui, cette agression revêtait bien un caractère homophobe.
L'un des jeunes gens a publié une photo de lui sur son profil Facebook, où il apparaît le visage tuméfié, avec un message où il raconte les circonstances de l'agression. "2 minutes seulement après être sortis, 3 mecs nous appellent "Hé les gays!" dont un qui nous court après et se met devant nous pour nous stopper."
A la suite d'un refus de cigarette, l'un des individus aurait pratiqué un étranglement sur son ami. Lui-même affirme avoir été frappé à la tête en intervenant, et avoir "perdu connaissance pendant 20/30 longues secondes".
Selon lui, cette agression revêtait bien un caractère homophobe.
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 16:27
Etienne et Ruby vont enfin pouvoir se marier.
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 16:52
Je vais demander à Noël Mamère de m'adopter.
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:01
http://lelab.europe1.fr/t/le-jour-ou-l- ... -tous-8742
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Un détail des votes très surprenant puisque Henri Guaino, farouche opposant, et Luc Chatel ont voté pour ... mais ont aussitôt fait savoir qu'ils s'étaient trompés (voir en fin de compte-rendu).
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:03
Les gars c'est quand même des trompettes de compétition, et c'est pas comme si c'était la première fois que ça arrivait.
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:04
En attendant on va pouvoir marier tout le staff des rédacteurs et se servir des oreilles de Fennec, 
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:07
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:13
lol
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:14
Bibpanda a écrit:lol
+1
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 17:34
Kenshi a écrit:http://lelab.europe1.fr/t/le-jour-ou-l-assemblee-nationale-a-vote-le-mariage-pour-tous-8742InformationUn détail des votes très surprenant puisque Henri Guaino, farouche opposant, et Luc Chatel ont voté pour ... mais ont aussitôt fait savoir qu'ils s'étaient trompés (voir en fin de compte-rendu).
Les mecs ils arrivent à se gourer alors qu'il faut appuyer sur un bouton au milieu de 3 et se retrouve à valider un texte alors qu'ils sont à 1000% contre. Et ils veulent gouverner la France.
Pauvre France....
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 19:02
Zobi1 a écrit:En attendant on va pouvoir marier tout le staff des rédacteurs et se servir des oreilles de Fennec,
Prem's pour le renardeau ! J'l'ai vu avant !
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 19:24
sonny a écrit:Kenshi a écrit:http://lelab.europe1.fr/t/le-jour-ou-l-assemblee-nationale-a-vote-le-mariage-pour-tous-8742InformationUn détail des votes très surprenant puisque Henri Guaino, farouche opposant, et Luc Chatel ont voté pour ... mais ont aussitôt fait savoir qu'ils s'étaient trompés (voir en fin de compte-rendu).
Les mecs ils arrivent à se gourer alors qu'il faut appuyer sur un bouton au milieu de 3 et se retrouve à valider un texte alors qu'ils sont à 1000% contre. Et ils veulent gouverner la France.
Pauvre France....
en meme temps c'est quelque chose de nouveau pour eux d'aller effectivement voter une loi....
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 19:31
Putain et les opposants au mariage pour tous à nouveau dans la rue, qui bloquent tout le quartier de Montparnasse, avec cette conne de Frigide en égérie ... Pitié laissez nous tranquilles maintenant
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 19:54
Kenshi a écrit:Putain et les opposants au mariage pour tous à nouveau dans la rue, qui bloquent tout le quartier de Montparnasse, avec cette conne de Frigide en égérie ... Pitié laissez nous tranquilles maintenant
et v'lan un autre coming-out
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 20:25
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 20:33
Comme disait Coluche : "Les PD peuvent pas de reproduire, mais y en a de plus en plus". 
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 21:00
en parlant de çà je trouve que le terme homophobe repris par tout le monde est idiot . Qui a peur des homos ?
En réalité c'est pas de la phobie pour certains , c'est plutôt de la haine .
En réalité c'est pas de la phobie pour certains , c'est plutôt de la haine .
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 22:13
Jester a écrit:Kenshi a écrit:Putain et les opposants au mariage pour tous à nouveau dans la rue, qui bloquent tout le quartier de Montparnasse, avec cette conne de Frigide en égérie ... Pitié laissez nous tranquilles maintenant
et v'lan un autre coming-out
On m'a dit qu'il y avait que comme ça que j'aurais une chance de "rentrer" dans la team
Re: Actu France et Monde
23 Avr 2013, 22:49
Kenshi a écrit:Jester a écrit:Kenshi a écrit:Putain et les opposants au mariage pour tous à nouveau dans la rue, qui bloquent tout le quartier de Montparnasse, avec cette conne de Frigide en égérie ... Pitié laissez nous tranquilles maintenant
et v'lan un autre coming-out
On m'a dit qu'il y avait que comme ça que j'aurais une chance de "rentrer" dans la team
Tu ne rentres pas dans la team, c'est la team qui rentre en toi
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